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Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 02:40
AboveTheRim
Öncelikle makalenin linkini vereyim:

http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium/horologium0036


Walt Odets Rolex Explorer-I modelini mekanizma ve işçiliğini oldukça detaylı bir incelemeye almış. Timezone’da yayınlanan bu makaleden birçok saat meraklısının etkilendiğini öğrendim ve forumumuzda da bulunmasını istedim. Çünkü malum markanın hatalı/sorunlu veya (fanlar için gelsin) fiyat/kalite oranı bahsedilenden daha düşük seriler çıkarabildiğini gösteriyor.

Makaleyi detaylı şekilde çevirip uzun alıntılar yapmayım şimdilik lakin aklımda kalanlar mekanizmanın aşırı basit yapılı olduğu ki burada ETA kıyaslaması yapmış ve tabi birde Patek’teki hairspring kullanımı, ayarlanması sistemini incelemiş.

Mekanizma üzerindeki işçiliğinse kabul edilemez ölçüde kötü olduğunu belirtip bir IWC kalibreyle kıyaslıyor. Hem de

"Unfortunately, contamination with brass shavings and dust was found in several locations in the watch”
Boyutunda. Tabi satış rakamları bu derece yüksek olan bir firma içinde çıkardıkları bir serinin görmezden gelinmesi söz konusu olamaz.

Hatta kişisel görüşü olarak bu şahıs Ex-1’in tek esprisi sapmanın düşük olması gibi duruyor diyor ve high-end bir fiyat biçilen bu saatin işlevinin quartz bir makineylede görülebilceğini belirtiyor.

IWC taraftarları! Gün sizin gününüzdür. Ayvisi denildi, şeftali kayısı denildi ama gün bu haksızığa bu zulüme bir dur deme günüdür! :D :lol:

Şakası bir yana bu yüksek seri üretimden dolayı mı oluyor yoksa kalibre 3000 için mi geçerli sizce? :geek: Sizler açtınız mı hiç arka kapağı? :geek: Forumda Sub, Daytona, Ex-2, Dj, Dj2, Gmt-2 SS ve Milgauss bulunmuş bildiğim kadarıyla. Sizin mekanizmalarda böyle hatalar (defect) çıktımı? :geek:

Varsa Piranhalarımız olmadı Başkanlar halkı bilgilendirsin, görüşlerini sunsun lütfen Gmt-2 TT hayallerimizden, Breitling Chronomat Gmt veya Iwc Ingenieur’lara sapmıyalım

Tabi ben adım adım ilerlemeye çalışıyorum ve inanır mısınız aylardır birçok farklı yerden yazılar okuyorum. Forumumuz o kadar verimli ki baştan, sıfırdan alıp hatrı sayılır bir bilgi birikimi ve kültür katıyor insana. Öğrenmeye devam… :champ:

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 06:23
Thevenin
Ozetle bu meshur inceleme ve test, yuzlerce teknik konuda inceleme ve makale yazmis, TZ Saat Okulu'nda dersler vermis, omrunun bir kismini sadece hobi olarak saat ustaligina ve mikroskop altinda PP, VC, ALS, JLC incelemeye ayirmis birine ait oldugundan, incelemedeki estetik citasi da cok yuksekte. Dolayisiyla fazlaca oznel elestirilmis yuksek beklentili yerler cokca, misal pah kirilmamis ( unchamfered ) parcalar, mikronluk capaklar, ozensiz yaglama vs. Buna karsilik teknik kisimda ayrica saatin kasa, arka kapak tasarimi, kadran ve kollarinin cok basarili olmasindan, mekanizmanin zaman tutma testlerinin mukemmel olduguna kadar bircok ibretlik detay da var.

Gelgelelim, esas galeyan cumleleri kapanista :D

In the current watch market, the poor quality of the movement--and relatively good quality of the case and dial--suggests that this watch should retail in the $600 to $800 range. (To my tastes, a quartz-controlled watch would provide the functionality of this watch, do it even better, do it with better reliability, do it at an appropriate purchase price, do it at much lower routine maintenance costs, and, in most cases, provide a better piece of craftsmanship in the bargain. Obviously, for the person who wants "a Rolex" for reasons unrelated to the watch itself, this watch might be a choice. (...)

In fact, I think it would be difficult to find another current production watch, at any price over a few hundred dollars, as deficient in basic workmanship of the mechanicals as the Explorer.


Hani kalani mukemmel bu incelemenin tamami olmasa, sadece yukaridaki alintilanmis yazilar olsa, tam "he canim he gulum" capsi buraya gelecek :D

Timezone.com eski yoneticilerinden ve ayni donemden Richard Paige bu inceleme ile ilgili bir roportaj vermis. Inceleme ile beraber okunmasi sunnet.

Richard Paige / Timezone.com Former Director yazdı:
What really happened with the Rolex Explorer review?

Ah, the 'infamous' Rolex Explorer review by Walt Odets. Let me tell you exactly what happened and how it played out. All these years people still talk about the article as if it had a life of it’s own. But here’s the truth as it happened, and anybody who tells it differently is either a liar or schizophrenic.

I set the whole thing up; the whole thing was orchestrated by me.

Walt Odets was an eerily complex gay individual, who had this huge, genuine passion for fine watches. http://www.waltodets.com/ By day he was a psychologist, who specialized in aids patients, and all their misfortunes. By night he was a self-taught watchmaker, who found the hobby all too satisfying. He purchased several thousand dollars worth of high tech watch making equipment, and he was most happy when he was fiddling with the movements. But Walt’s innate flaw was that he only collected very fine, high caliber watches, the likes of Patek, Vacheron, Lange, leCoultre, as well fine vintage watches. Under Walt’s high power microscopes these watches were a pleasure to scrutinize: they were of the finest materials, mostly handmade, and had extremely high quality finishes. In other words, he never really looked at mediocre watches, they weren’t in his world.

Conversely, I was a watch repairer by profession, so I saw the whole gamut of movements from the lowly pin lever, to the high quality masterpieces. When I took over TimeZone, 80% of the posting were about the Omega and Rolex, and 80% of the 200 or so guys posting had never seen nor even heard of the great houses of Switzerland and Germany. The typical TZ poster thought that the high end, luxury watch world began with Seiko and ended with Rolex. Of course there were some posters out there discussing these Great House watches, but they were far and few between. So, I attempted to become an “alternative voice” on the site, and began my personal odyssey to “introduce” the great Houses to the rest of the neophytes in the community.

One of the things I felt I had to debunk was this nonsense that Rolex was the last word in watches. Personally, I wasn’t a big fan of Rolexes. I did indeed collect vintage Rolexes, and I had an outstanding collection of 1940’s “Bubblebacks”, but the newer watches after 1970 did very little to increase my pulse rate, and the Rolex designs never really seemed to me to change from their core 1950’s and 1960’s designs. In truth, the quintessential modern Rolex watch, the “2 tone DateJust”, I found to be almost effeminate in look and feel, and not even close to the manly image that the Rolex branding machine spun out. To me, wearing this datejust was the equivalent of wearing your collar up on a polo shirt in public.

So, I set the gears in motion. Walt had been doing some outstanding reviews of some of the Great House watches from his own collection and was gaining in notoriety, but I don’t believe he had never even cracked open a Rolex. I asked if he’d do me a favor and review a Rolex watch for me, and he agreed. I bought a Rolex Explorer 1 “off the shelf” from a friend of mine who was an authorized Rolex dealer, and with a straight face handed the watch over to Walt, knowing full well, when he pulled the movement and exposed it naked to his high power microscopes he would be totally surprised and disappointed with the finish. After all, his points of reference were Pateks, Vacherons, Langes, and Rolexes can’t compete at face value to these watch finishes. Rolex, as well as Omegas, were the kings of “workhorse” watches, not of artistic finishes and high caliber workmanship.

So, Walt did what he does best. He honestly critiqued the watch using the higher standard of much finer watches as his point of reference.

The repercussions were both hilarious and unpredictable. A huge segment of the TZ community was “bitterly” insulted by Walt’s honest evaluation. They felt that Walt had let them down, and had crossed the line of editorial impartiality. They felt that TimeZone was anti Rolex, and that the article be retracted. Other websites sprouted up, to “counterbalance” TZs Rolex negative bias. Personally, I thought the whole thing was utterly amusing.

Then the weirdest thing happened. I got an email from Rolex headquarters, asking me for Walt’s home address. Rolex is super paranoid about their branding image, and it seemed highly likely to me that they might actually go after Walt. Now things began to border on the theater of the absurd. If a movie critic panned a movie, does the director go after the critic? Of course not. I didn’t even answer Rolex’s email.

Ironically, after time, Walt began to review a more eclectic array of watches, and after reviewing enough of these “me too” watches, he admitted that Rolex was a good value for the money. Go Figure.


Son olarak da bu kalibre 1990-2001 arasina ait. Guncel kalibre 3132. Walt Reyiz onden gazi vermis, slogan boyle dogmus :D

"Some may call it an obsession. At Rolex however, the pursuit of excellence is a passion"

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 08:52
SeRxx
AboveTheRim, teşekkürler :champ:
Thevenin :D :thumbup:

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 09:33
razz
Ben bu yazıda Rolex hedeflerinden sapmayı gerektirecek bir detay göremiyorum açıkçası.. :geek: Hem Thevenin hem de Richard Paige'in belirttiği üzere saat hobisinin neredeyse tamamını gerçek anlamda Hi-End kabul edebileceğimiz, tümü el işçiliği ile üretilen ve Masterpiece niteliğinde eserler olarak da görülebilecek saatler üzerine bina etmiş bir saat severin, "her koşulda dakiklik ve uzun ömürlülük" ön planda tutularak üretilmiş mass market bir kalibreyi böyle anlatması kadar doğal bir durum olamaz.. :thumbup:

Bu şekilde incelendiğinde "hatasız" olarak nitelendirilecek bir saat olduğuna inanmadığım gibi kalibre üzerinde dekor/süsleme/zanaat türevi eklentilerden zerre haz etmediğimi de hesaba katarak bana dokunur bir durum olmadığını söyleyebilirim.. :champ:

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 10:42
vmetin
Benzer bir şey bana da olmuştu bu foruma üye olunca. Daha önceden mükemmel görünen omega ve tag heuer gibi markalar bana yavan gelmeye başlamıştı yakında rolex'i de beğenmezsem şaşırmayın :lol:

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 10:54
Drago
Rolex bence ederinden fazla meblağlara satılan bir saat ve bu incelemelerde bunu gösteriyor...Ha beğenen parasını verir alır...kimsenin bir diyeceği olmaz ama bu gerçekleri değiştirmezzzz...

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 11:01
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Baştan sona kadar Razz'a katılıyorum :thumbup:


Rolex'e laf eden taş olur taş :D

Re: Timezone.com Walt Odets Rolex Explorer 14270 İncelemesi

MesajGönderilme zamanı: 10 May 2012, 11:25
razz
vincefb yazdı:Rolex'e laf eden taş olur taş :D


Olur Vallahi.. :D

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